yes sir, at john vorster square. six months. i was interrogated by many special policemen, but mainly captain stolz and the one they call venter. as they were searching somebody i know, they wanted me to tell them where that person was hidden. as i refuse to cooperate they beat me with a sjambok. after some time i fell and they kicked me in the face and stomach. i spot blood and they try to make me lick it. then captain stolz threw a wet towel and started twisting it around my neck. . until i lost consciousness. they did this several time and the last one captain stolz said 'come on meid, speak up, or do you want to die like gordon ngubene?' a few days later i was released. on melanie taking notes. it's the truth. i have nothing more to say. louw sits down.