-- practices. mr. dillard, i'm sure dr. delbanco shares my gratitude for your concern. but i also know he'd agree that you misunderstand the nature of our calling to mental health. we're not in some. widget business, trying to crush our competition. ernest, what do you think? thank you. when? what ernest means, i think, is we're very interested in other methodology. different kinds of training. we're great believers in learning from each other. i've learned so much from ern -- dr. delbanco. so. the university of kentucky. who runs the program down there? i suppose your extended training was at an institution in that area? i trained in the east, myself -- cornell -- and i don't care what anyone says, there really are regional differences. i found the state certification exams out here quite harrowing. did you? which examiner did you have? i probably know him. that was a terrible thing. yes. your particular approach. but they're certainly dead. and yes, personally, i find it a bit odd. that's true. you do seem much more disposed toward him than i understand, ernest. did i miss something? no, dr. delbanco, it is i who am sorry. sorry to have wasted your time with such.