well, we seem to be quite a small group. a small group and a select one. clearly, this is going to be a unique seminar. let me start by thanking those of you who've chosen to take part. good for you. a reading list, gentlemen.
they're worried about demonstrators.
both.
are you ok?
so what did you think?
wasn't it? in what way? what were you expecting?
exciting?
why? why did you think it exciting?
i need to correct an impression. dieter said yesterday this was about justice. but is it?
say.
go on.
is that right?
how so?
aren't you? good. so that's all right then.
i don't know. you tell me.
michael?
what did your father do, dieter?
that's exactly my point. that's why it's better not to pretend this is about justice. forgive me, nor is it about getting into an emotional state. it has no purpose if it's just the young giving their parents a bad time.
societies think they operate by something called morality. but they don't. they operate by something called law. you're not guilty of anything merely by working at auschwitz. 8,000 people worked at auschwitz. precisely 19 have been convicted, and only 6 for murder. to prove murder you have to prove intent. that's the law. remember, the question is never `was it wrong?' but `was it legal?' and not by our laws, no, by the laws at the time.
what?
yes. the law is narrow.
on the other hand, i suspect people who kill other people tend to be aware that it's wrong.
don't you?
how so?
yes? diversion from what?
you've been skipping seminars.
so?
what information?
you don't need me to tell you. it's perfectly clear you have a moral obligation to disclose it to the court.
so?
a moment, please. please.
what are her reasons?
ashamed? ashamed of what?
have you spoken to her?
why of course not?
what we feel isn't important. it's utterly unimportant. the only question is what we do.
if people like you don't learn from what happened to people like me, then what the hell is the point of anything?